The Fundamental Divide Revealed in the Democrats’ Debates

Democrats vote health care DNCOne exchange from the first debate in Detroit this week between Democratic Party presidential candidates has already received substantial airplay. Its deeper significance warrants further exploration. The exchange was this one between former Congressman John Delaney and Senator Elizabeth Warren:

Delaney: I think Democrats win when we run on real solutions, not impossible promises, when we run on things that are workable, not fairytale economics. Look at the story of Detroit, this amazing city that we’re in. This city is turning around because the government and the private sector are working well together. That has to be our model going forward. We need to encourage collaboration between the government, the private sector, and the nonprofit sector, and focus on those kitchen-table, pocketbook issues that matter to hard-working Americans: building infrastructure, creating jobs, improving their pay, creating universal health care, and lowering drug prices. We can do it.

Warren: You know, I don’t understand why anybody goes to all the trouble of running for president of the United States just to talk about what we really can’t do and shouldn’t fight for. I don’t get it. Our biggest problem in Washington is corruption. It is giant corporations that have taken our government and that are holding it by the throat. And we need to have the courage to fight back against that. And until we’re ready to do that, it’s just more of the same. Well, I’m ready to get in this fight. I’m ready to win this fight.

Delaney: When we created Social Security, we didn’t say pensions were illegal, right? We can have big ideas to transform the lives. I mean, I started two companies and took them public before I was 40. I’m as big of a dreamer and an entrepreneur as anyone. But I also believe we need to have solutions that are workable. Can you imagine if we tried to start Social Security now but said private pensions are illegal? That’s the equivalent of what Senator Sanders and Senator Warren are proposing with health care. That’s not a big idea. That’s an idea that’s dead on arrival. That will never happen. So why don’t we actually talk about things, big ideas that we can get done? The stakes are too high.

The italicized portion of Senator Warren’s response is the part that has received frequent replays and is indeed the most telling aspect of the exchange. Implicit in her response is a rejection of Delaney’s argument, based on her assumption that unless government takes direct control of an economic sector from the private market, real progress cannot be made. Delaney’s remarks didn’t actually focus on “what we really can’t do.” He was instead advocating for his own approach to achieving universal health coverage, though he argued that a federally run, single-payer health-care system specifically would be bad policy. Warren equated his disinclination to dramatically expand government’s role with a failure to fight for Americans’ interests.

Warren’s answer assumes that bigger government would mean better outcomes for the average American. This notion is worth exploring because it lies at the heart of so many political pitches. Anywhere that Americans are struggling with high costs or unresponsive businesses, you can find a politician promising to solve the problem by expanding government’s involvement. But a reflexive assumption that an expanded government role automatically means better outcomes is unjustified. In fact, one is hard-pressed to survey the American economic landscape without quickly seeing how and why the assumption is faulty.

Consider first some sectors of the American economy that are dynamic and clearly working, if not perfectly, nevertheless impressively. Perhaps the greatest positive transformation of our economic lives over the past few decades has been wrought by the revolution in computing power. Americans, and indeed people the world over, can thank our lucky stars that the job of designing faster and better computers was not left to the U.S. federal government. We see a dizzying array of new personal devices constantly churned out by an ever-changing set of companies of all sizes with the result that, as my colleague Robert Graboyes has observed, “Third World village children now carry smartphones whose power is beyond the world’s supercomputers from a generation ago.”

There are, of course, multiple reasons why information technology can advance at a pace no government’s productivity gains can match. The potential productivity gains of technology-based economic sectors exceed those wherein human labor must play the central role. But at the same time, it should be noted that technological advances have reduced prices in the computer market in a way we haven’t seen in the health-care market. It also bears observation that the technological nature of the computer industry helps enable that part of the free economy to remain several steps ahead of federal government planners and regulators. In the end, it is difficult to avoid the dual observations that our information technology market is productive, efficient and consumer-serving to a degree that our health-care market is not, and also that the tech sector is (not coincidentally) less captive to elected officials’ political agendas.

Lest one be tempted to explain away the computing industry as uniquely favorable terrain for the private market, consider another sector: America’s restaurants. Food is no less a necessity than health care, and is every bit as much a “right,” but no one yet suggests that its necessity implies that the federal government should provide everyone’s food for free. Running a restaurant is inherently a labor-intensive enterprise, wherein technology alone cannot deliver the productivity gains that it does for personal computers. And yet America’s restaurant industry still manages to be incredibly dynamic, delivering an astonishing diversity of dining experiences. The sector is fiercely competitive, with individual restaurants constantly going in and out of business. It delivers eating options for Americans at all price points, from the finest dining to the cheapest fast food. Innovation is constant, with examples including distinct cuisines deriving from different origins around the world, niche dining options to meet specific dietary restrictions, and low-cost food trucks that compete with sit-down restaurants.

The restaurant market thrives because we allow it to. We accept that some specific eating options will disappear because we are confident others will arise in their place. Government imposes rules of the road, such as labor compensation and sanitary requirements, with which restaurants must comply. But otherwise we generally step back and allow their innovations to enrich our lives. Notably, government provides low-income Americans with assistance in acquiring the food they need, and there is a constant reassessment of how much and what sort of assistance to provide, and who should be eligible to receive it. But we do not make the fundamental mistake of believing that the needs of vulnerable Americans are best met by having the federal government take over the industry and provide free food to everyone. Informed by experience, we know better.

Now consider an opposing example: the U.S. health-care market, which many experts across the spectrum believe is dysfunctional. This critical sector is beset by high prices, much wasteful spending and quality control failures. It is no coincidence that these dysfunctions occur in a sector where government intervention has been heavy and highly distorting.

One remarkable aspect of our health-care debate is that there is actually very little disagreement among experts over the ways government policy has undermined health market functioning and sent costs soaring. Costs and prices rise whenever demand is artificially stimulated, supply is artificially constrained, and whenever payments are made by third parties through insurance instead of by consumers directly out of pocket. Current government policy exacerbates all of these cost-increasing forces. There is virtual unanimity among health economists that the federal tax preference for compensating workers with health benefits has driven cost growth. It is similarly well established that health cost growth has been further fueled by federal programs that subsidize health service demand. People spend more on both necessary and unnecessary health care when these services are financed by insurance, and yet we continue to reduce the share of health care financed out of pocket (from 33% in 1970 to 11% today), and mandate that insurance cover more services. Robert Graboyes has also catalogued a multitude of ways that government policies restrict the supply of health-care services as well. There are rationales underlying all of these policy choices, but given the simultaneous operation of these forces, no one should be surprised that U.S. health-care prices are rising to widely unaffordable levels. Cost growth is a predictable result of our current health-care policy morass.

In a previous piece I described a well-established dynamic by which government has a historical tendency to double down on policy mistakes. The essence of the dynamic is that government interventions create predictable adverse effects, which produce public hardship, which in turn foster demands for still more government intervention, which then worsens the distortions and adverse effects, and so on. The cycle can’t be broken unless we take a clear and unflinching look at the causes of current problems and fix them rather than doubling down on further measures to disguise and disperse their costs. We have long been trapped in this dynamic with respect to health-care policy. Bad outcomes driven largely by government policy have produced intensifying calls to involve the government even more completely. Another example is higher education, where a number of reports and studies have shown that government subsidies fuel tuition increases, in turn producing calls for more government-financed relief.

Particularly ironic about the calls for single-payer health care is that it would accelerate virtually every dynamic currently fueling excess health cost growth. For example, providing first-dollar coverage of every health service would artificially stimulate additional demand even more than is already being done, thereby causing some necessary treatments to be crowded out by unnecessary ones. The result would be a further acceleration of national health cost growth, unless payments to health providers were dramatically reduced as some Medicare for All advocates have proposed. One need not be an economist to understand that such payment cuts must ultimately reduce the supply of providers, and that inflating demand while restricting supply is a recipe for higher prices and longer wait-times.

Calls for single-payer health care also implicitly reflect an enormous conceptual leap: from the assertion that “health care is a right” all the way to “the federal government should be the provider of health care to everyone, rich or poor.” The latter statement, however, does not follow from the former. Food and shelter are likewise necessities, but we do not provide free food and housing for everyone at all income levels, nor does anyone suggest that we should. We should encourage a more vigorous debate between the Delaneys and the Warrens as to whether and when the provision of expensive benefits to everyone regardless of need makes policy sense.

Much of the 20th century was an international contest between competing visions of the role of government: specifically, whether market economies could successfully compete with those of nations where the state commanded and allocated economic resources. Through World War II as well as the subsequent Cold War, the world learned forcefully that market economies generally allocate resources more efficiently and fairly, and produce greater and more widely shared prosperity, than governments do. As we grow more distant in time from the firmest applications of these historical lessons, the fundamental divide exposed at the Democrats’ early primary debates—over whether government should nurture the free economy or displace it altogether—is a debate we need to have.

Reprinted with permission from - Economics21.org - by Charles Blahous

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2 years ago

I though I was watching the finals of a competition for the title of World Village Idiot, until my spouse informed me that actually it was a debate among Democrats.

Joseph canna
2 years ago

Health care agree with evaluation Additionally high cost of drugs is because govt somewhere passed a law that govt could not negotiate drug prices ridiculous.govt thru medicare set prices of medical/hospital service why not drugs ,which is an essential element of the health care that was negotiated.Do not see any in congress and even my hero Trump calling for revocation of whatever it is that restricts govt from negotiating prices no one even mentions it let alone not doing anything about it

2 years ago

Talk about HATE. No one HATES like a Liberal Democrat. This group running for POTUS hates everyone and everything up to and including us and each other. Not one of them deserves to be elected. The guy we have now would never have been elected had the Democrats not INSISTED on Liary being their candidate, but at least, for all his (numerous) faults, he is trying to do some things for us and the country. None of this current batch of finger pointers have my vote.

Robert Messmer
2 years ago

According to Warren and Sanders, Mark Zuckerberg {a man with more money than God} should have his medical care paid for by the taxpayer. How is it moral to steal from those working for a living to give healthcare to Mark?

2 years ago

The Democrats of the JFK era are gone….they have been replaced with communists….they like to call themselves socialists, but there is no difference, one enslaves you by force, the other enslaves you by vote, the but the end result is always the same…the leaders live a plush lifestyle while their servants live like beggars. What these communists want to do is take over EVERYTHING, starting with your healthcare….we tried that with Obamacare which as designed to end up being a government single payer system, but God sent us Trump. However, the health care insurance increased exponentially and now, you do not really have health care, you have emergency care because when you have a out of pocket expense on the front end of between $5,000 and $12,500….that is not an insurance policy. The next thing Obama wanted to do was to go after what he called Cadillac plans, in other words, the wonderful health insurance that a lot of big employers GIVE their employees. Once they control what health care you get, the next thing will be to confiscate your guns….then they will nationalize ALL businesses, so most businesses will move out like they have done under Obama….they are just now returning with jobs for the unemployed under Trump. Christians, you need to get off your butts on election day and vote….254,000 of you stayed home the last time, and that will make a real difference since Google and Facebook are going to try to get you to vote communism. As a Christian, you cannot vote for a party that murders babies and promotes perversion, and then show up in church on Sunday singing “Oh How I Love Jesus”…..if you truly love Jesus, then it is time for you to vote for his laws…and none of his teachings are included in the Democommunistcrappers platform….even God has been taken away….remember this, you will be judged on how you vote.

Rulon Huntsman
2 years ago
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2 years ago

In today’s Democrat Party, which is essentially now fully dominated and controlled by the Democrat Socialists of America (DSA) and the Communist Party of the United States (CPUSA), someone like Delaney, who was a successful businessman with some sense of rationality to his ideas prior to his leap into the political cesspool of Washington politics, has no place in the Party. At least NOT as a candidate for President to handle the final push of the United States into full-blown socialism. He is apparently viewed, from the Democrats I have spoken with over the last few days since the latest debates, by the ultra-left as either a phony Progressive trying to be “Progressive-lite” (NOT committed to the changes that need to be FORCED on the American people for their own good) or simply an example of a self-made individual that stands for all the things wrong with American society and need of “true Progressive solutions”.

Warren on the other hand, seems to be viewed by the ultra-left as a more acceptable voice for the American Socialist Party (the Democrat party by what it really openly represents now, even if most people don’t realize it yet), despite her well known history of ligating numerous cases on behalf of major corporations and making millions of dollars in legal fees in the process. As well as her false Indian heritage, that she used to game the University system for decades to parlay herself into her current Senatorial position. That all seems to be acceptable, at least for now until she too has out-lived her usefulness to the Party, because she is promising to confiscate or should I say tax the wealth of the middle and upper classes to the hilt to finance and re-make the nation’s economy into the Utopian vision of socialism. Everyone reduced to the lowest common denominator of poverty, misery and lack of hope for the future. All in service to the whims of the government, which views the average person as being too stupid to be allowed to make their own decisions or have any say in how things should be done. In other words, virtually slaves in service to the state. Where one’s entire life is controlled and determined by what some politically appointed bureaucrat decides your value to the state is.

So anyway, Delaney has ZERO chance of getting the Democrat Party nomination. He simply doesn’t represent the Party’s views or positions on a whole host of issues. He will be have to drop out in 60 to 90 days, if not less. I wouldn’t be surprised if the DNC selected a “more appropriate” progressive challenger to run against Delaney when he comes up for re-election. The Party is purging itself of all those that are NOT true believers to the positions of the DSA and CPUSA.

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